Two Scientists Proposed That Collapsing Matter Could Reappear Elsewhere
At a conference in Armenia, they suggested that charged matter might emerge from a collapse in another part of space.
At a conference in Armenia, they suggested that charged matter might emerge from a collapse in another part of space.
Two Soviet scientists proposed that charged matter might collapse and then reappear somewhere else in space. An American listener thought the idea was wild but grounded in sound physics.
This is a 1972 CIA Intelligence Information Report (No. 00-B-321/07709-72, dated 10 April 1972) consisting of edited abstracts from a letter by a reliable US colleague who attended the Conference on the Origins of Life in Yerevan, Armenia, USSR, 6-8 September 1971. It summarizes a speculative paper by Soviet scientists N.S. Kardashev and Andrei D. Sakharov on the behavior of a charged mass collapsing in space (and whether it could 'bounce' back into a different part of space-time), and offers the US attendee's assessment of the generally low scientific level of other Soviet papers at the conference. In passing it notes that a Soviet member of a USSR committee established to investigate 'unusual phenomena, in other words, flying saucers' gave a talk that other Soviet scientists did not take seriously.
"Another Soviet, who was a member of a committee the USSR has established to investigate unusual phenomena, in other words, flying saucers, gave a serious talk which was actually very humorous. His approach was, "Well, of course, we know there isn't anything to this alleged phenomenon (flying saucers), but on the other hand---.""
Why it matters: Documents the existence of a Soviet committee established to investigate unusual phenomena / flying saucers, and the skeptical, joking reception it received from Soviet scientists.
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"Shklovskiy remarked later to a US attendee that the "flying saucer committee" consists of many politicians, theorists, historians and similar type people. It has little if any scientific talent."
Speaker: I.S. Shklovskiy
Why it matters: A senior Soviet astronomer's firsthand characterization of the composition and lack of scientific credibility of the USSR flying saucer committee.
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"They stated that then the mass would be able to bounce. It would collapse but bounce back out. However, the mass will come back into a different part of space time."
Why it matters: Summarizes the core speculative physics claim of the Kardashev-Sakharov paper on charged mass collapse.
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N.S. Kardashev
Astrophysicist; presented speculative paper on charged mass collapse / black holes · Institute for Space Research, Moscow · Page 1
Andrei D. Sakharov
Co-author of the charged mass paper; theoretical physicist · Page 1
I.S. Shklovskiy
Kardashev's superior and former teacher; gave a general talk and commented on the flying saucer committee · Institute for Space Research · Page 1
L.I. Matveyenko
Visited Academician Artsimovich with Kardashev; described as a Communist Party member expert in political matters · Institute for Cosmic Research · Page 2
Lev Artsimovich
Academician, secretary of the Academy's Department of General Physics and Astronomy · Page 2
Vitaliy L. Ginzburg
Leading Soviet astronomer; gave a talk on the basis of physical theory · Page 2
Yerevan, USSR
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Armenia, USSR
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Moscow, USSR
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The UAP relevance is incidental: the bulk of the document concerns a speculative astrophysics paper (charged mass collapse / black holes) by Kardashev and Sakharov. The flying-saucer content is a single paragraph noting a Soviet UAP-investigation committee and its dismissive reception. OCR is degraded but readable; names and the substantive points are recoverable.
Matter that has an electrical charge.
No. They proposed the possibility, but it is not known whether it is correct.
At a conference on the origin of life in Yerevan, Armenia, Nikolai Kardashev presented an idea about matter collapsing in space. He had prepared the paper with Andrei Sakharov, a prominent Soviet scientist. They proposed that charged matter might collapse and then bounce back, but not in the same place.
The idea described two possible outcomes: uncharged matter would disappear from the outside world, while charged matter might appear somewhere else in space. The American listener who heard the talk thought the idea was wild but grounded in sound physics. What exactly happens during a collapse, and what did the scientists think the idea might reveal?
The paper examined what happens to an object in space as it collapses into a black hole, a region where gravity is extremely strong. Kardashev explained that an uncharged object would continue to collapse. It would fold in on itself, lose contact with the world beyond it, and disappear forever.
Charged matter is matter with an electrical charge. The paper did not explain in detail why charge would change the outcome. The scientists proposed that it might allow an object to bounce back after collapsing and appear somewhere else in space and time. In other words, under their proposal, collapse would not necessarily end in disappearance.
After the talk, Kardashev told an American participant that Sakharov was interested in what the phenomenon might reveal about the structure of space. Sakharov thought space might be more complex than commonly assumed. Kardashev was interested in what the idea might teach scientists about space exploration.
The American participant wrote to a colleague about the talk. According to a report summarizing the letter, he thought the scientists had taken the hypothesis in a wild direction, but that the paper was grounded in sound physics.
It is not known whether the proposal is correct or whether a charged object can actually bounce back in this way. The report offers no conventional explanation for the phenomenon.
If the object appeared somewhere else in space, where did it go when it vanished from our view?