Bryce Zabel on Naval Intelligence and the formula

Television creator and former journalist Bryce Zabel joins host Ty Roberts to discuss an encounter at the premiere party for Dark Skies. Zabel says a man from the Office of Naval Intelligence told him and Brent Friedman that they had gotten a lot right, then drew a formula on a bank envelope and called it “the secrets of the universe: sound, light and frequency.” Zabel says they kept the envelope in a safe deposit box for nearly 30 years before releasing it.

The conversation ranges across Zabel’s belief that the U.S. government possesses craft and bodies, the prospect of gradual disclosure, and A.D. After Disclosure, his book with Richard Dolan. They also discuss a 1995 postcard reading “WE ARE WATCHING YOU,” accounts attributed to former officials, and the possible social shock of disclosure. The interview includes a report that a door opened by itself during the recording.