Lue Elizondo on Jillian Michaels: UAP and disclosure

3:07served my country. I had the privilege of serving my country after college in the United States Army and then I became a senior if I became a a special agent in counterintelligence and worked with various organizations in the intelligence community pretty much my my entire career. Now I will I will say you know, a lot of people know me publicly my public persona as being that that UFO guy. The reality is until I was brought into the program at the Pentagon, I couldn't even I I joke I couldn't even spell UFO. Um I was my my priority at the time was counterterrorism. I spent a lot of time in foreign countries serving my nation with other wonderful Americans. Um and never really even considered the

3:52topic. You know, when I years ago people say, "Oh, didn't you ever watch The X-Files and things like that?" And the answer is no. I I I never had that luxury. Time wasn't something that I that I really had very much of. Um, and it wasn't really until 2009 that I was introduced to the reality that that our government, your government, is using your taxpayer dollars to investigate um, UAP or what was formerly known as UFOs. And you can imagine it was a bit of a shock for me. Um, you know, a little bit of cognitive dissonance going on because as a trained intelligence professional, we've always been taught to, you know, explore things uh, very scientifically, very analytically. And uh, this was something

4:38that I learned through through the Pentagon and the intelligence community that the US government has had a really long-term effort studying these things. And once more that these things have the ability to um, enter our controlled US airspace, uh, sensitive airspace, completely unchallenged, uh, and we have no idea where they're from uh, or what other capabilities are, but we do see a couple things that are a little bit concerning. One is there seems to be a a strong interest in our, in our nuclear equities, uh, our nuclear technologies, weapon systems, and other technologies. And also that they have the ability to outperform pretty much anything that we have in our inventory. Um, so I I guess that probably would be a a good place to start. Um, and then, you know, take it from there.

5:25>> Okay. To be honest, as a kid, I was actually terrified of these things. There was a book that came out by a guy named Whitley Strieber, and it had this gray creature with these giant black eyes. And he tells this horror story about being kidnapped and taken into a spaceship and get not to be gross, but getting an anal probe, and I remember being like a freaking 12-year-old thinking, "This sounds horrifying." And really becoming strangely interested in the topic because I just wanted something that would tell me this wasn't possible, this wasn't real. And for years I would listen to physicists who would essentially say like, "Listen, you know, yeah, the universe is massive,

6:10and there's a gazillion trillion bajillion galaxies, and they have a gazillion trillion bajillion stars, and those stars x amount of those gazillion bajillion have planets, and x amount of those can hold life. So, yeah, there's probably a freaking ton of life out there in the universe, but they'll never get to us, so don't worry." There's no way that they could survive the travel. They'd have to go faster than the speed of light. It would take thousands of years. They could never survive it, this, that, the other, the physics won't work. And I lived very comfortably under that assumption until you. So, how if these things are here, I watched the documentary, and I I I listened to different businesses positive guess, but it was a bit confusing. How in the world do we

6:56think these things could get here from such a extreme distance? >> Sure, and that's a great great great question. Um you're referring to earlier about the Drake equation, and that is the statistical likelihood whether or not intelligent life exists uh in our in our cosmos. And uh there's actually a very interesting equation that I kind of goes into that. And in fact, the Pentagon actually paid for a study to look at the Drake equation and to reconsider um the the potential statistics if if whether or not it's it's either more likely or less likely. The reality is we do, we live in an incomprehensibly large universe. And in fact, um right now, a lot of uh uh, astrophysicists

7:42have surmised that there are over 200 sextillion stars in the observable universe. Now, what is a sextillion? I don't know, but it's been estimated that there are, to put this in more common parlance, there's been it's has been estimated that there are more stars in the visible universe than there are grains of sand in all the beaches of all the world, right? And that's just the observable universe limited by by the horizon of light uh, reaching our planet. And and a lot of scientists now speculate the universe could be at least 10 times actually larger than that, right? So, 40 billion light-years uh, from end to end uh, and that's just the visible universe. So, it is a incomprehensibly large space, but I've

8:27also like to remind people if you've ever taken oh, I don't know, maybe high school chemistry, uh, Avogadro's number, right? 1 * uh, 6.82 * 10 ^ -23 or something like that. The reality is if you were to compare the size of a quark um, to the size of a human, that's roughly plus or minus the same order of magnitude the the the if you will, as comparing a human being to the size of the known universe, right? That's it's it's We have an equal amount of space in scale inside every single human being. And we as human beings really can we can only interact with one or two orders of magnitude up or down, otherwise the universe is simply too big or too small. We'll we'll never be able to actually interact with it directly, and yet that is where most of reality

9:12actually exists. So, if you were to consider for example, you asked a question about the vastness of space, you know, the old models of physics dictate that there is this speed limit in the universe called the speed of light. And how fast is that? It's a roughly 186,000 miles per second or roughly 7 and 1/2 times around our planet in 1 second. So, it's very very fast. Um, and yet because the the is so incomprehensibly large, it still takes 40 billion years for a photon of light to go from one end to the other, right? Um but we're now realizing with the understanding of the theory of relativity introduced by Einstein and of course in the 1930s, the introduction of quantum physics that there may be some loopholes in in

9:58in the laws of physics. And not necessarily in the speed of light, but in in the notion of space itself. Um now this is going to get kind of weird really quickly. But scientists now realize and and you can look at other experiments involving quantum entanglement that space, the way we experience space three-dimensionally um and has been kind of this empty vacuum of nothingness in reality is full of stuff and it's also a bit more like um like Swiss cheese. There's holes in it. And uh if you want proof that these holes exist, one only has to look at a black hole. Um there's a lot of studies being done right now. A lot of money's being put into studying black holes where matter goes in but never comes out. >> Right. >> Uh and and it may be that the gravity

10:44itself is is so severe in these localized regions we call black holes that space and time actually folds in on itself. Um and that there are ways where you can traverse vast distances within our cosmos uh without really going very far at all. Um these these are these concepts are called wormholes. And believe it or not, once again, your taxpayer dollars paid for extensive studies back in the 2011 time frame at the Pentagon, at the CIA and some renowned academic institutions that actually was very seriously considering the viability of wormholes and the ability to engineer, if you will space and time. >> Okay. Now

11:29I'm under the impression that to tear a fabric in space time, open up and stabilize a wormhole. Uh I don't know if anybody remembers Contact, that Jodie Foster movie. It's like >> >> for the average person, it seems like they opened up a wormhole and you watch her travel through. I know this is rudimentary and embarrassing, but nevertheless, I was under the impression that to do such a thing, you would need so much energy that it it you couldn't comprehend harnessing that much power. Where would a civilization get that kind of energy? It's a like an anti-matter conversation. It's far beyond the energy of a star, I I would anticipate. Like, how do you even get the technology to

12:14open up a hole in space time and hold it stable to travel through? >> Yeah, great question. Well, it turns out you don't really have to create a hole to to warp space time. In fact, there's two ways to warp space time that conventional physics has allowed us to to to understand. And that is in part thanks to Einstein's equation, E = mc^2 or energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. And so, there's two fundamental ways to warp space time. One is with a lot of mass. Take this Take this coffee cup, for example. With enough mass, you can warp into space time. And if you want proof of that, one only has to look now our modern technology into GPS satellites.

13:00There are atomic clocks, atomic cesium clocks on board these GPS satellites that we all take for granted when we're kind of punching in our you know, something in our smartphone to go shopping. The reality is those atomic cesium clocks are exactly the same. They run at precisely at the same rate as the atomic cesium clocks here at the ground station. We noticed something the Air Force did very early on during the days of GPS that there is this phenomenon called atomic drift. And because the the mass of the earth is is stronger on the surface than it force of gravity if you will, the effective gravity than it is in in a mid earth or higher earth orbit, that the clocks on these GPS satellites actually run at a different rate. Now, how is that possible if they're running

13:45at exactly the same way because of atomic decay? How is it that these the further away you go from earth, there's a larger delta, there's a larger difference in the way these clock clocks are running. And that is because of of the fact that earth is a massive object and it is actually exercising a perturbance on space time. And the heavier you go like a star you just mentioned a star, our sun for example, warps space time. And the fact that we orbit around the sun in the way we do is is actually part of that relationship. Now, the other way to warp space time is with a lot of energy. And so if you want to really compare the relationship between mass energy, this is not an exact comparison but but you could kind of consider

14:30mass you could mass as being like a chunk of ice. And energy as being steam. They're both fundamentally water but they're in two different energetic states. So it turns out that with mass like the earth or the sun or even a black hole, you can warp space time and the same thing with a lot of energy. But to your point, you're right. It turns out to be a lot of energy. The question is is there once again a a loophole in that? Is there a way to cheat that? And that is if you have specific types of material with a lot of energy, is there a way to create a localized portion if you will, a bubble around a localized area where space time is fundamentally different. The way you experience space time inside the bubble

15:17is not the same that everybody else experiences space time outside the bubble. Very much like we talk about the satellites, the global positioning satellites, that you can experience space time at a localized area um differently. And and we have seen this in many, many different scientific models. So, it's not really science fiction, it's just science fact. And really the question is, how much energy do we need? Do you remember perhaps maybe Oh, it's been a while now. I'm kind of old, so I I I tell people this is gray, not blonde, right? Uh but Well, you you look great with it. I I I don't know. I just look older. This is my >> >> This is my patina. Uh but if you remember, there was an announcement at the CERN, the Large

16:02Hadron Collider, some years ago that uh they were at the level now where they were going to potentially start manufacturing these these the notion of micro black holes and in the laboratory. And a lot of people were very concerned. They thought that they were going to get, you know, sucked into this black hole, destroy the Earth, and whatnot. Um it That's not really what what they were referring to. What they were referring to is that the energy levels now at the CERN are sufficient enough where theoretically we can start creating our own black holes in the laboratory, these these these micro or nano black holes. Now, they're not very big, and they don't last very long, uh but it is now theoretically possible to create these right here on Earth in with our own technology. And if that's the case, then it's no longer really a a a a

16:48scientific challenge to say we can bend space time and create these worm holes because if we can do that in a laboratory uh at a very small scale, then it's really just a technology issue at this point. It's not a physics issue. Um it's now a technology issue. How do we scale up this this little tiny black hole into something a little bit bigger that, you know, can be can be more sufficiently controlled and and engineered? >> Okay. Um so many questions. I want to focus on on this one. Uh, another barrier to entry with regard to belief for me. So, I'm just trying to knock these things out here. So, you've got a species that can has the technology

17:33the energy, all of the above to manipulate the fabric of space-time. This is what the physicists always say, "Well, what the heck do they want with us? Why do they care?" Well, they could just squash us like a bug. Doesn't make any sense. I have heard Neil deGrasse Tyson say that for 20 years. And yet, you know, you're you're you're you're talking about a a freaking craft that's going I don't that's defying never let it is not human, right? So, what what then? Why? What do they You don't want us to blow up our own little planet? Why do you care? Why would anybody care if we nuked ourselves? There's a gazillion six 17th ever however many species butchering this. There's a 17th or whatever you

18:18said number of species in the world. Why do they care about us? They can access any planet they want. They can fold space-time. Why are they here? Like why? What would be the logic? Can anybody even posit a guess as to why we'd be visited under that pretense? >> Sure. Yeah, there's been a lot of discussion about that actually in in the US government believe it or not. And and one first of all, I think let's back up just for a moment cuz you know, everybody assumes that they're from outer space. And I've always tried to encourage people to think things maybe a little bit differently cuz outer space is certainly an option, but they could be from inner space or frankly the space in between. There's there's lots of different possibilities. For example, these things could have been here for a very long time and been been from under the ocean. And we're not a point now technologically where we're being able

19:03able to interact with with them. But they might not be from really way out there. They may be as natural to Earth as we are quite frankly. So, these are things we have to consider and and leave all these options on the table. But with that said, let's kind of go back to to your your question here. Let's just presume or assume for just one moment they are from out there, wherever, you know, there is. You know, it's the same reason why we go to Africa and we go to the Serengeti and we fly in a helicopter and we're, you know, we're tracking the wildebeest and you might have somebody there shoot a a dart and tranquilize one. Imagine from the perspective of that wildebeest, right? It's just sitting there with its buddies and just kind of drinking water and all of a sudden this thing comes from the air making all sorts of worrying noise and all of a sudden now you you get sleepy,

19:48you lay down and these things are now all over you and they're touching you and they're drawing your blood, you know, maybe they're testing for migrational patterns and health of the flock, but all you know is a wildebeest, all of a sudden you wake up, you're kind of groggy, scared like hell and you kind of wander over to the water and hold them like, "Jim, you're not going to believe this, man. I I >> >> The thing came out of down all the, you know, now all of a sudden these things are touching me and and now my butt hurts. What the hell, right?" So, it's it's it could be something as simple as that. It could also be something where I'm sorry, I don't mean to make fun of you. >> said it first. I said it first. I said it I I I pulled the anal probe card first. Please, please. >> >> You're free to go. >> But it could also be something even even perhaps more profound. You know, we are at the point now as a civilization where

20:32we really understand the connection between energy and mass and warping of space-time. So, imagine you were a cosmic neighbor of Earth, right? And you watch these funny little monkeys kind of evolve and they go from, you know, pruning each other to now creating these rudimentary tools and all of a sudden fire, and oh, that's interesting and all of a sudden, you know, the monkeys seem to be very violent. So, they fight each other all the time, right? And you you kind of sit back and watch how these these these little monkeys kind of evolve and progress and all of a sudden now that of a sudden they realized that this thing this thing called steam if you convert water into steam all of a sudden now you have a you can create an engine and that led to the industrial age, right? And that took you know how many millions

21:18of years of human evolution to finally figure that out and then all of a sudden just a maybe a thousand years after that we discovered that if you actually not just separate the molecules but break the molecules apart, right? In an exothermic [clears throat] reaction you can get a magnitude magnitude greater yield of energy release, right? Like like dynamite or gunpowder. All of a sudden now wow, now you've got really a lot of energy and then all of a sudden it takes a few more years after that and we realize that if we actually go lower smaller in scale and we break apart an atom we have even more energy to be released, right? And all of a sudden now you sitting back in your cosmic you know lazy boy chair watching humans evolve realize that human beings are very quickly evolving to the point where we might be able to

22:05manipulate space-time and now cosmic distance is no longer an issue for us, right? So now as a cosmic neighborhood you've watched these monkeys kind of evolve and tear each other apart in all sorts of gruesome ways. What happens now when those little monkeys figured out a way to get off the their own planet, right? And now they're not stuck on that rock. Now now they have the ability to come visit you, right? This is what I call the the gorilla in the zoo analogy. Everybody goes to the zoo and they might see the silverback gorilla and you know look at him eating a banana how cute and you know preening each other but but what happens when all of a sudden the zookeeper a key to the cage the enclosure is is is left behind by mistake? And now all of a sudden that gorilla is picking up that key and he doesn't quite yet understand what it is or how it

22:50works but he's beginning to realize there's a relationship between the key and the gate that's keeping them inside their enclosure. What happens when the the day that the gorilla figures out how to get out of the cage. Well, guess what? You better grab little Johnny's arm because now you got Harambe on the loose, right? You have an 800-lb silverback gorilla that, you know, could be very violent. And so, is it possible that they're monitoring us specifically just to find out, "Hey, you know, how far along in in evolution have the monkeys really come?" >> I think I've told you it's the new year about 50 times already in the new year. It's January 2026 and on some level I think we all want a wardrobe refresh. I know I do anyway. And Quince is my go-to for luxurious, high-quality essentials

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25:08"Oh, we've got crash remains." And like, kind of a colossal error. A, how did you crash? And B, if you have an exceptionally violent species, why would you leave behind the key? That's another barrier to entry for me on this one where I'm like, "This just doesn't make any sense." >> Yeah, and again, great point. You know, some people ascribe to this theory what they call the gift theory. I don't personally subscribe to that. You know, I can't prove it's not correct, but some people will speculate, "Well, maybe they were left here on on purpose." I I don't necessarily feel that way. But it turns out that if you were to ask the scientists that were working with it at AATIP and and ASAP before that, they'll tell you that some of the crashes may have been,

25:54honestly, just dumb luck and and and by accident. So, what do I mean by that? The bubble that is, as it was explained to me, that is that is created around these craft in order to allow them to to experience space-time a little bit differently, is very susceptible to electromagnetic pulses. And it's like a balloon and and and an EMP is like a needle to a balloon and you can pop that bubble very quickly and and and quite easily. And so, the speculation is that the original Roswell crash wasn't even a crash that was necessarily deliberate. We were testing atomic capabilities, which I can't probably go into a lot of detail here even though it was, you know, back in the '40s. And that there were some UAP that were

26:39very interested in what we were doing and we knocked them out of the sky by mistake. Didn't even realize that, you know, that was kind of the Achilles' heel to to these bubbles. And so, that was the the the principal theory that that was going around the the Pentagon at the time. >> If we had the ability to knock these things out of the sky, why wouldn't they just wipe us out? >> Well, because that's that's a human trait, isn't it? You know, violence and aggression tends to be fundamentally a human thing. When you look at intent, when a shark bites a surfer, the shark isn't trying to hurt the surfer. The shark doesn't even know it's a surfer.

27:24He's just hungry and he just wants to eat. And so I'm hungry and I'm going to fill my stomach, right? Humans and and a few of the great apes are are one of the few creatures on this planet that actually have intent and motivation >> [snorts] >> beyond just survival. We do bad things to each other sometimes simply because we want to. And and that in itself you know, makes us sometimes a very complicated species. Now, we're assuming that these things, wherever they're from and whatever they are, have the same motivations as we do. But the reality is if we evolve long enough, maybe those those attributes that we have aren't really really part of our our DNA anymore. Perhaps it's like talking to

28:09artificial intelligence. AI doesn't have intent. AI just, you know, information in, information out. It it is intelligent, but it's not a human intelligence, right? It it lacks certain things that we have, that we have evolved to have psychologically and and and whatnot. So, it we have to be careful to assign anthropomorphic values indiscriminately onto something that may very well not be human-like at all. And so, you know, we we have to caution ourselves and avoid that temptation of of describing the same type of human motivations that we have, that we relate to. Look, and it's it's hard to do because look, I I live here in the middle of Wyoming and I have five German Shepherds and guess what? They all have human names. And guess what? I treat them all like humans, right? No, how's my little baby doing?

28:54And are you Are you hungry today? Come sleep in the bed with dad, you know, and all that stuff. But the reality is they're not human. They're They are They are dogs. They are a completely fundamentally different species. Now, I am assuming that they have a lot of human traits because I'm human. And that is the only way I know how to deal with something as a human, right? Um but we have to avoid that temptation when we are, you know, we're not talking about German Shepherds in this case. We're talking about something that truly may fundamentally not be human at all. Um may not even have the the same evolution, um if you will, trajectory that we had. It could be something It could be something that has been engineered, right? Another option is that the things could be have a hive mind, very much like ants in a colony or bees in a colony, right? There's very specific functions that are

29:40performed, um by by certain ants. Um some are guardian ants, some are queens, and some are drones. Um and you know, they they perform a very specific task. So, these are a lot of the things that were being considered at the time by a lot of the the the doctors and and and psychologists and whatnot that that we worked with. >> I want to back up for a second. I've heard people say interdimensional, and you just said inner space. I get, like, hey, maybe Atlantis was real and this species went to the bottom of the ocean. Again, these are all so silly, but we all saw Jim Cameron's movie The Abyss, and so really they're living down there and we don't even know what's down there, and I can't remember the number. I think you guys actually mentioned it in the documentary of how little we've actually mapped our own ocean floor. We

30:27don't know what's down there. Okay, I could get on board with that one. They've come from space, they've warped space-time. Okay, I can get on board with that one. What is inner space? How What does interdimensional even mean? Is that like make sort of suggestion that they're coming from another universe? What does that mean? >> Well, you know, not necessarily. So, let me give if I can to kind of distill this down into something that might be a little bit more easy to to consume. Um the reality is so I I mentioned I live here in Wyoming and uh you can come out on on any particular night and gaze upon the heavens and see just a you know, a beautiful beautiful night sky completely unoccluded. Now, if you were to take uh technology like oh, I don't know, a radio telescope or an infrared

31:12telescope and point at the same part of the sky that you were looking at with your naked eye, you would see a completely different reality. You would see large nebulas and and Magellanic Clouds and things that plasma that that the human eye just simply can't perceive. In fact, if you look at the five fundamental ways in which we perceive the universe, which there's only five, right? And if you can't touch it, taste it, hear it, smell it, etc., we have no idea it's there. But if you had for example, let's go back to the bumblebee, right? If you had bumblebee vision and you were to look at a flower, you would see a completely different reality because they they they view the universe in ultraviolet spectrum, beyond our ability to perceive, right? Or if you were a snake and you could see in thermal vision, you see heat, right? And perceive heat. Um the human eye is only picks up Now,

31:59think about this, 0.0035% of the entire electromagnetic spectrum. In fact, most of the universe we cannot perceive directly. It lies beyond our ability to directly perceive it. We need technology and yet that is really where most of the universe lies, beyond our spectrums of visible light. They might lie in x-ray or gamma or radio or microwave or you know, all sorts of other areas. And so, we are you know, when we say interdimensional, it might not be something as as you know, exotic as as another universe. It doesn't have to be. It can be part of this universe, but part of this universe that we simply can't perceive. And we hear this all the time with things such as dark energy and dark matter. Most of the universe lies in this invisible realm realm that

32:46even today with today's technology, we know it's there, but we can't perceive it. And yet that's where most of the stuff, if you will, um of of our reality in the universe actually lies. >> Okay, I get it. I see exactly what you're saying. And and when I've listened to talks on string theory, aren't there like 11 or something that are >> Yeah, membrane. You're referring to M-theory, membrane theory and parts which is part of string theory. Some have speculated up to 22 dimensions. Some of them say they're very small and wrapped with each other. Of course, a lot of that there's a lot of speculation involved in that. But we do know that, you know, through if you were to look at, for example, going back to quantum entanglement, um you know, that is something that that we believe may be

33:31going in and out of a different reality. Same in fact with the electron. You know, when you and I went to school, we we learned that electrons orbit the nucleus of an atom, but the reality is they don't. In fact, they now realize that the electron is more like the electron cloud. It's both everywhere and nowhere all at the same time. And some some scientists have speculated the electron is actually so small that it's actually able to zip in and out of the very fabric of our of our universe. And it's it's disappearing and reappearing trillions upon trillions of times per second. So, um it's it's not really that far out to to speculate on whether or not, you know, inter-interdimensional realities exist because we we can detect

34:16them to some degree already. >> Oh my god. Okay. >> [snorts] >> So, you know, when I was watching the documentary The Age of Disclosure, there was talk about how certain people high up in the government wanted to shut this conversation down because of religion and I'm not trying to demonize religion. Religion has been demonized enough, but um you know, and then you famously Tucker went on Joe Rogan and was like, "I think they're demons." Uh how much of that concern do you think has kept this silent? The concern that it will destroy religion as we know it. >> Yeah, that's again great great point and you know, there are certainly individuals out there that are very threatened by the notion of, you know,

35:02humans not necessarily being exclusive um you know, in in the eyes of God. Um I I can understand that. I I do. There a lot of doctrine um basically stipulates that human beings are the epitome of God's creation. You know, I I think at the end of the day it's it the notion of of of these things doesn't really challenge the notion of God. It might challenge mankind's notion of God. >> Right. >> But I don't think it actually challenges God itself. There have been examples in the past. For example, let's take let's take Galileo Galilei. When he first proposed his uh heliocentric model of our solar

35:47system, up until that point the church was very convinced that Earth was the center of our solar system and everything orbited around Earth. Um and Galileo through his observation with his telescope proposed alternatively and said, "No, actually we orbit around the sun." And the church was so upset by that that they actually threatened to burn him at the stake and he was forced to recant even though he was right. And in fact, they the members of the church even refused to look through the very telescope that Galileo could prove his point um because it was a threat to to what their understanding of what God should and should not be. But the reality is now that we look back we'd say, "Oh, well, that's awfully silly." If anything, you realizing that the Earth is just a small little obscure dot floating around an obscure sun floating

36:33around an obscure part of a galaxy floating, you know, amongst many, many other galaxies, I think gives people a greater appreciation of of the supernatural and and the notion of God. Um it doesn't it it it doesn't put limitations. And so really the issue you're referring to is really referring to an insecurity that is inherent in our species. Um and I I think that is really the the problem where we have the rub between religion and and this topic or even science. You know, I often say that the reason why science and religion really don't see eye to eye is because they're both trying to answer two different questions. Science is trying to explain how, where

37:18religion is trying to explain why. And they're two fundamentally different questions. Um and and I think maybe the same holds true with this topic that this topic, you know, the way to depending the way we're raised, maybe culturally or religiously or philosophically and theologically and even psychologically, right? Um we like to envision we are the apex species on this planet. But the reality is is that, you know, mother nature and and and God has a vote. Uh and you know, out votes us a lot of times. And so we we need to remain humble and and have humility and and and stop trying to put mother nature and God in a little box that, you know, fits her own narrative because the one thing we're usually right about is that

38:04we're usually wrong at first, right? Or we're we're usually wrong in these these type of of of assumptions. And so, um I know it can be hard for some people, you know, I I was raised both Jewish and Catholic and then I spent a lot lot of time in the Middle East where very close friends of mine were were were Muslim and very familiar with with with the the different religions and cultures. I lived in Asia, where where Buddhism was was was quite prevalent. Uh and even read from the Hindu script in the Bhagavad Gita. So, um you know, I I I understand why religion might have a there might be some sort of apprehension or fear because in some cases it counters the very narrative that that an organization is trying to to promote. But, let's not forget that religions are really at the end of the day they're

38:49religions are comprised of people. And people make mistakes, and people are wrong a lot of times, right? And again, this shouldn't we shouldn't confuse the idea of religion with the idea of God. Because religion is nothing more than an organization of people trying to interpret what God is. Um it's not necessarily God. And so, I do not think personally for me, and I'm a very spiritual person. I I don't wear my religion on my sleeve, but I'm deeply spiritual. And and I don't have um I don't have a problem with with the topic of UAPs or or other life in our cosmos um contradicting my my idea of God. Look, if you want to know if life exists, just look on this planet. Life is everywhere. Life is abundant. Every time we try to to to put Mother Nature

39:34in a nice, like I said, little shoebox, she always wiggles her way out. I remember a time when I was in college, I was told that all life is fundamentally derived from the process of photosynthesis. Uh but, that's not true. In fact, if you go out to the deep oceans where these these things called black smokers are, there are creatures sea creatures that live in the depths of our oceans that survive off a process called chemosynthesis. Right? So, so it's it's What defines life, you know, for a while we thought that all life had to have DNA, but it turns out, you know, there's potentially other life forms like viruses that don't have any DNA. They have RNA. Uh there are people say, "Well, you have to be in a Goldilocks area where you have to have oxygen, and oxygen is the fundamental building block for life." Well, that's not true, either. You know, when I was in in the medical program at University of Miami, I did a

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