American Scientist Discussed UFO Sightings With Soviet Researchers
A CIA document summarizes the subject of the talks but doesn’t say what was said.
A CIA document summarizes the subject of the talks but doesn’t say what was said.
In 1967, an American scientist traveled to the Soviet Union and spoke with researchers about UFO sightings. A CIA document records the talks, but its summary doesn’t say what was said.
A CIA intelligence report (No. 00-B-321/23490-67, dated 18 August 1967) recounting conversations about UFOs that a US astrophysicist had with Soviet astronomers during a one-month trip through the USSR in spring 1967 to visit several astronomical observatories engaged in planetary research. The information was extracted from a memorandum the scientist wrote for his superiors and developed by an Air Force (AFNIN) representative. It summarizes the range of Soviet scientific attitudes toward UFOs, noting general awareness of the phenomenon but no official Soviet study, with most scientists referencing Menzel's book.
An astronomer at Pulkovo Observatory mentioned having heard of some sightings of unidentified objects near the Caucasus; she was unaware of any study being made of them.
I.K. Koval and several other astronomers were out in the countryside one evening and saw a curious, reddish object flashing through the sky which they were convinced was neither a satellite nor a meteorite, though they interpreted it as possibly a fragment of a satellite or rocket burning up on reentry. L.I. Galkin, part of the same group, confirmed the observation and was struck by the possibility it might have been a 'saucer.'
Repeated sightings of ball lightning in northern Kazakhstan were investigated by a University team from Alma Ata, who discovered the sightings were reflections of automobile headlights from an inversion layer.
"if they were only seen in the US, they must be of Soviet origin"
Speaker: radio astronomer serving as translator
Why it matters: A joking remark by the Soviet translator dismissing UFOs as an American-only phenomenon.
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"it is his personal opinion that the UFO's may originate on Venus"
Speaker: report author (paraphrasing N.A. Kozyrev)
Why it matters: A specific, unusual interplanetary-origin hypothesis attributed to a prominent Soviet astronomer.
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"clearly still an open question"
Speaker: G.M. Idlis
Why it matters: A Soviet institute director reversing his initial dismissal after hearing of McDonald's critical study.
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V.I. Moroz
Astronomer, noncommittal on UFOs · Sternberg Institute, Moscow · Page 1
N.A. Kozyrev
Astronomer interested in the UFO problem; opined UFOs may originate on Venus · Page 1
I.K. Koval
Astronomer who reported seeing a curious reddish object with colleagues · Main Astronomical Observatory, Kiev · Page 2
L.I. Galkin
Astronomer who confirmed the peculiar object observation and considered it might be a 'saucer' · Crimean Astrophysical Observatory · Page 2
G.S. Lifschitz
Head of the Atmospheric Optics Section; unimpressed with Menzel's book and the phenomenon · Astrophysical Institute, Alma Ata · Page 2
G.M. Idlis
Director who had read Menzel's book; later conceded the question was 'clearly still an open question' · Astrophysical Institute, Alma Ata · Page 2
Kupo
Stellar spectroscopist interested in the problem as an adjunct to locating fragments from bolides · Page 2
Menzel
Author of a book on UFOs (translated into Russian) frequently referenced by Soviet scientists · Page 1
McDonald
Author of a critical study of the UFO problem · Page 2
Sternberg Institute, Moscow, USSR
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Pulkovo Observatory, Leningrad, USSR
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Caucasus, USSR
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Main Astronomical Observatory, Kiev, USSR
CIA report 00-B-321/23490-67, dated 18 Aug 1967, info date May 1967. Source is a US astrophysicist; developed by an Air Force (AFNIN) representative. Marked UNEVALUATED INFORMATION and CONTROLLED DISSEM / NO DISSEM ABROAD. OCR is noisy; some names/initials uncertain (e.g. 'Kupo' first name unclear, 'Lifschitz', 'Idlis'). No redactions evident in the text; manifest redacted_flag is false.
An unidentified flying object. The term doesn’t say what the object was.
No. It says the talks concerned sightings, but doesn’t describe them.
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Crimean Astrophysical Observatory, Crimea, USSR
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Astrophysical Institute, Alma Ata, USSR
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Kazakhstan, USSR
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In 1967, an American scientist who studied the universe traveled to the Soviet Union. During the visit, he spoke with Soviet researchers about UFO sightings. The CIA recorded the talks in a document.
Scientists from two countries met to discuss things people had seen in the sky. But the official summary is brief: it says what the talks were about without recounting them. So we know the subject came up, but not what was said.
The document was written in August 1967. According to its summary, it concerns talks with Soviet researchers during an American scientist’s trip to the Soviet Union. The discussions concerned UFO sightings in the country.
That is all the summary reveals about the meetings: who traveled, whom he spoke with, and what they discussed. It names none of the Soviet researchers and describes no particular object reported in the sky. It also includes no remarks from the participants.
That distinction matters. The document records talks about sightings, but the summary doesn’t say what the people being discussed saw. It also doesn’t say whether the researchers described specific incidents or spoke about sightings in general.
In other words, there is a record of an American scientist and Soviet researchers discussing the subject. But the summary offers no specific sighting to follow: no location, no particular object, and no account of what happened. The available source provides no further details about the document’s contents.
We don’t know who the researchers were, what they said, or which sightings they discussed. The summary doesn’t explain why those details are missing or offer a conventional explanation for the sightings. It simply doesn’t describe them.
The conversation is on record. What exactly was said remains outside the summary.