יאסוקאזו האמאדה ויפן: פוליטיקאים חוקרים עב״מים

3:20It's an honor to be with the former defense minister, Hamada-san, who is the first defense minister to publicly discuss UAPs in front of Parliament, but also in front of the nation. Thank you so much for being here today. You have really helped spearhead the Japanese UAP caucus. What are the primary intentions and goals of the organization?

4:23>> For Hamada, Japanese preparedness and security is paramount. In 2022, as defense minister, Hamada broke with a posture Japan had held since the end of World War II. You see, after the war, America essentially wrote Japan's constitution, one that renounced all conflict and stationed American troops on its soil that are still there today. For decades, defense spending was capped at 1% of GDP. No offensive weapons were allowed. No ability to strike in enemy's territory ever. Hamada ended that. He oversaw the biggest transformation of Japanese defense policy since 1945, a new national security strategy naming

5:08China as an unprecedented strategic challenge, a commitment to double defense spending, and for the first time in the postwar era, counterstrike capability. This is arguably the most consequential defense official in modern Japanese history, a man whose entire career has been about identifying real threats and building institutions to meet them. And of everything he could be doing with his standing and his remaining political capital, he chose to chair the UAP caucus. People like Hamada don't do that for fun. They do it when they've concluded something is there. >> You mentioned that you personally have never seen a UAP. Do you know anybody

5:54who's seen UAP? >> で も、 多分 その えー タイミング で 色々 な ところ に 場所 に 行か れ た 時 に それ を 見 た と いう 人 を です ね、 私 も 知人 に も い ます し あ、 私 が 巡り合っ た の は なぜ 巡り合っ た の か よく わかり ませ ん けれど も 分かれ ば あの 説明 も し やすい ん です けど 私 自身 が まだ それ を 経験 し て ない と いう の は 大変 残念 です が >> Did you catch the word he used when I asked if he'd ever seen a UFO himself? He said that unfortunately he never has. Unfortunately, which I thought was an interesting way to put it

6:39as if his aspiration was to see one. He did tell me that many people have brought him their accounts over the years and there's one recent case that kept coming up in my conversations in Japan. In 2025, something very strange and interesting happened at the Genkai nuclear power plant and it was basically the first documented and recorded [clears throat] UAP occurrence in Japan. What happened there? Here's exactly what happened. It's just past 9:00 in the evening on July 26th, 2025 on the southernmost island of Japan, Kyushu. The Genkai nuclear power station sits along a stretch of coastline in the Saga prefecture.

7:25Four reactors standing against the black water of the Genkai Sea. The guards stationed at the main gate are minding their own business. It's not exactly a busy time of day. This is also one of the most protected places in the entire country where even the airspace above is closed off by law. Nothing is supposed to be up there, but then suddenly three lights appear in the sky. They don't slowly pass overhead the way an aircraft would. They hold their position and then they begin to move tracing a long loop over the grounds of the power station, an ellipse almost a half a mile wide. They keep circling, drifting closer, almost as if they're monitoring, until they're right over the

8:10facility itself. They are now no more than 150 feet from two of the reactors. For two whole hours, the guards and a stationed police officer watched these three lights turn slow circles over the reactors. They're stunned. They're just hovering with no visible propulsion or exhaust. Sometime after midnight, they simply disappear. No security camera ever caught a clear image of them, or at least that's what we're being told. And there were reports that a minor earthquake had rolled through the region only a half hour before they appeared.

9:11What happened next probably won't surprise you. The story almost immediately began to fall apart. The nuclear authority put out an emergency notice calling them three drones. Then walked it back. Not drones, it said, just lights. Weeks passed, and eventually the police arrived at the most reassuring explanation available to them, that the guards at one of the nation's most secure installations, trained to watch the sky, had most likely mistaken a passing aircraft circling in the dark. An aircraft in restricted airspace. Case closed, despite the cover story changing three times.

10:08You see, Kyushu Electric's own records from that night don't square with the simple explanation of a plane at all. The questions started to pour in from sitting members of the Japanese parliament, eventually reaching the highest levels of government, the cabinet. And this isn't the first time UFOs have shown up over a Japanese nuclear plant. In 2011, as the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactor melted down, people nearby filmed unknown lights moving above the reactors. A local Buddhist monk said that he believed these UFOs had come to hold the radiation back. They were a cosmic cleanup crew. Steven Spielberg's production company even made

10:53a whole Netflix documentary about the saga. Now, if you know anything at all about this subject, you shouldn't be surprised because UFOs around nuclear sites might be the single most repeated pattern in the entire history of this phenomenon. From Malmstrom to F. E. Warren, to Savannah River Site, to Minot, to Vandenberg, essentially every major nuclear base in the United States, not to mention bases in the United Kingdom and former Soviet Union, have all seen frequent UFOs. And these nuclear base UFO sightings go all the way back to 1945. In some cases, they've even tampered with the nuclear weapons themselves. Members of Japan's Parliamentary UAP Caucus weren't satisfied with the official explanation given to the lights

11:39at Genkai, so they went there themselves, inspected the site, and came away saying that an aircraft made no sense at all. The man who spearheaded that investigation was Yoshiharu Asakawa. To some, he is known simply as the UFO politician. He stood up in parliament and started asking the questions nobody else would His own party told him to stop. His colleagues froze him out. He kept going anyway. He has faced ridicule, but has stayed the course and has amassed a league of

12:25allies, experiencers, and witnesses who have become personal friends and desperately want to see Japanese UFO disclosure. Asakawa has questioned defense ministers directly on the floor of the parliament and flown to Mexico City to testify under oath before their Congress. He is the reason the UAP Parliamentary League exists at all. He also is a witness to multiple UFOs, taking us to the very first spots he saw these unknown flying objects as a child.

13:14>>

14:02>> But to understand why a man like this ended up pouring his whole career into UFOs, you have to go back almost 40 years to the case he says changed everything. And here's the thing. It wasn' what he saw in the sky that got him. It was what happened afterward. November 17th, 1986, Japan Airlines flight 1628, a Boeing 747 hauling cargo over Alaska. And the captain, Kenju Terauchi, was not some hobbyist squinting at the stars. This was a former fighter pilot with almost 30 years in the air. Part way through the flight, he reports these brilliantly lit objects moving

14:48around his aircraft. And then something much bigger shows up alongside them. He later said it was so enormous that it was the size of two aircraft carriers shaped like a walnut hanging there in the night sky next to his plane for 50 whole minutes. His crew saw the lights, too. Air traffic control was on the line the whole time. And this is the part that lifts it above your average sighting. The encounter generated radar returns picked up both by civilian and military systems on the ground. This wasn't one guy describing a line in the distance. It became one of the most

15:34thoroughly documented aviation UFO cases in modern history. So the FAA, or the Federal Aviation Administration, opens an investigation. And years later, the man who was running the FAA's accidents and investigations division at the time, a guy named John Callahan, comes forward and says the case was walked into a classified briefing with the CIA, the FBI, and other agencies in the room. And according to Callahan, when it was over, they took the data and they told everyone present that the meeting never happened. Callahan says he quietly kept his own copies. He thought that truths involving the nature of reality shouldn't be confined to the government.

16:19And after he retired, he published them. And I've had a former NASA physicist on my show analyze them and tell me directly that they indicate an anomalous object flying around this Japan Airlines plane. >> From that radar data, it's accelerating 10,000 G's, 250,000 miles an hour. And And you can actually see the position of the plane on the radar. >> That is remarkable. >> the one point where the plane actually does a 360 to try to shake this thing, you can actually see that on the radar. So the radar is working. >> And Captain Terachi, the decorated veteran who reported exactly what he and his crew saw as was his duty, he got pulled off international routes and parked behind a desk. A

17:04humiliating demotion. Now in the UFO world, JAL 1628 sits in the same tier as Rendlesham, as the Nimitz Tic Tac, as Tehran. The cases with trained witnesses, real investigations, and evidence that goes beyond one person's word. But here's why it matters for our story. Asakawa was a teenager when this happened, and he watched one of the most extraordinary aviation encounters in history quietly get turned into a lesson about power. A Japanese crew, a Japanese aircraft, and an investigation that ran through Washington. So that by the time the Japanese public got their

17:50answer, a lot of people felt the conclusion had been written somewhere else long before. Do you think that the United States has a right to dictate whether the Japanese government can share data with their own population about the nature of reality, which seems like a fundamental truth? >> 私 が この 58 年間 生き て き て それ ほど 政治 経験 が 深い わけ で は ない けれど も あの いろいろ 見聞 し て り いろんな 人 の 話 を 聞い て て 思う の は やはり 日本 は 形 上 は 独立 国家 です けど も 実際 に は

18:35アメリカ の ええ 未だ に ええ 支配 下 に ある の で は ない か 実質 的 に アメリカ の 意向 で 動い てる 部分 が 大きい と いう 風 に 感じ て ます。 >> If you had to guess, what do you think is known at the highest levels of Japanese government when it comes to UAP? >> ま 私 の 推測 です けど も ま 今 この トランプ 大統領 が ええ 発言 し て この間 の 4 回 目 の 総会 の 時 に ま いくつか 質問 が 出 た 中 で 実 は 国防 省 の 官僚 が です ね こう いう こと を 言っ た ん です ね。 アメリカ の カウンター パート と し て 公開 範囲 に つい て 協議 し ながら 情報 交換 を 行っ て いる。 つまり 公開 範囲 に つい て 協議 を し て い るって こと

19:22間違っ た ん です ね。 それ から アメリカ 政府 全体 の ポリシー が 変更 さ れれ ば それ に 従っ て カウンター パート と し て の 協議 を 改めて 行う 必要 が ある と いう こと を 言っ た ん です。 >> Hearing will come to order. >> In 2023, the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office, the Pentagon's own UFO Investigations Unit released an assessment identifying the hotspots around the world where these objects turn up time and time again. The corridor running from western Japan toward China was on that list, flagged on data going all the way back to 1996. So according to the Pentagon's own analysis, the skies over Japan are some of the most active for this

20:07phenomenon anywhere on the planet. I want to talk about the origin story of the UAP caucus because I believe you guys were together on the National Security Committee. Teruaki Manobe is a sitting member of Japan's House of Representatives from Osaka. He's also the current Secretary General of the UAP Caucus.

21:02When Trump started posting openly about UFO disclosure, it landed differently in Japan. Asakawa told me that Hamada, who he thinks knows more than he is letting on about UFOs, was very excited. After years of non-answers and gaslighting, suddenly Washington was promising to open the UFO files, and Japan would move in step. >> I think we're going to be releasing as much as we can in the near future. For some reason, and I guess it's just a reason it's been in the minds of people for a long time.

22:23>> Yesterday, you were telling us about one of your incredible sightings as a child, and we got interrupted. Can you just tell that story one more time? Not the elementary school, the other story.

23:15>> >> This is an unusual description for a UFO, but it's not one without precedent.

24:00One of the first people I thought of was former Navy pilot Ryan Graves. Graves has spoken publicly about pilots in his own squadron encountering what they described as dark cubes enclosed within transparent spheres. >> The object described as a dark gray or a black cube inside of a clear sphere came within 50 ft of the lead aircraft and was estimated to be 5 to 15 ft in diameter. >> He says these weren't isolated incidents. It got the point where asking who had encountered one in one of his briefing rooms would result in half the room raising their hands. Swedish UFO researcher Clas Svahn has also documented floating box-like objects. >> When she draw the object to me,

24:46it looks like a box with sharp edges and big windows and a brim like a like a hat. >> Wow. Perhaps all of these sightings connect to a more speculative idea that we've explored throughout this series. The concept of a four-dimensional hypercube or tesseract. >> I cannot show you a tesseract because I and you are trapped in three dimensions. But what I can show you is the shadow in three dimensions. >> The proposal isn't that people are literally seeing tesseracts flying around the sky. It's that if an object from a higher dimensional space intersected with our three-dimensional world, what we would perceive might only be a partial cross-section of

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30:41>> So it sounds like this document is using a very deliberate wording in order to be kind of intentionally vague and allow for actually foreign unknown objects. But I would take it a step further as far as kind of the questions that this begets, which is the Pentagon has officially said that Japan is a hotspot when it comes to UAP activity. And so if you have a document essentially saying, you know, we haven't had any officially documented cases of of UAP, you know, even if it's sort of being cheeky and allowing for some possible cases, isn't there some basic inconsistency there between the the take on the US and then this this document? I

31:27mean, even Hamada San admitted that the Pentagon believes that Japan is a hotspot.

32:36>> >> 反 米 姿勢 を 示し て 中国 と えー 友好 かつ 友好 しよう と し て アメリカ に 潰さ れ た ん じゃ ない か と いう こと を 言う 人 が いる ん です ね。 で 私 も まあ それ に 近い か なっ て いう ふう に 思っ て ます し >> >> Take a little journey with me here because what Asakawa just mentioned is a pretty deep cut. And after this interview, I dug even deeper and uncovered some pretty crazy connections. Washington, 1975. While Senator Frank Church was running a committee that was dragging the CIA's secrets into the daylight, he was also quietly running a second investigation. This one was into American corporations bribing their way through the governments of allied nations. And

33:22sitting right at the center of it was Lockheed. Yes, that Lockheed. Skunk Works, the U-2, the SR-71 Blackbird, the contractors that UFO whistleblowers David Grusch and Jay Stratton say have been holding on to recovered non-human technology. >> Harry Reid said this. Uh, you know, we knew that Lockheed Martin had this material for decades. I tried to get access and I was denied. And specifically with the Lockheed Martin stuff he was talking about during the ASAP program. >> Jay Stratton even names one of the Lockheed Martin vice presidents who apparently was responsible for UFO reverse engineering. A man named Jim Ryder. If you're in this world and you hear Lockheed, you think UFOs incorporated.

34:09In February of 1976, the Church Subcommittee revealed that this same company had spent the better part of two decades funneling millions of dollars in secret payments to the most powerful men in Japan, which brings us to Kakuei Tanaka, the most formidable Japanese politician of his generation. And once he became Prime Minister, he did something Washington really did not like. He started acting independently, opening relations with China ahead of the United States on own terms. Then the Lockheed money surfaced. Prosecutors said that Tanaka had taken 500 million yen. And on the morning of July 27th, 1976, he became the first former prime

34:55minister ever arrested in Japan. The most independent leader postwar Japan had produced was finished. And when Japan's own government formally asked Washington for the full list of officials who'd taken Lockheed money, one man stepped in to try to stop it. This man was American Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. And Henry Kissinger was definitely, you know, doing a lot of atomic stuff. In fact, he was also doing Nazi tech retrieval stuff, too. He was at Oberammergau in Germany. >> That's right. >> And you know, before going to Harvard actually, and had intelligence ties, you know, basically since his early 20s. Kissinger warned that releasing the names could do grave damage to America's foreign relations. And the full list was

35:40never made public as a result. Where things get wild is that longtime viewers know that we did a whole episode on Kissinger and his potential involvement in the legacy UFO program, perhaps even overseeing it. In fact, the widow of the former head of special projects at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Dr. Eric Henry Wang, said that Kissinger was overseeing his work. And who was assigned, likely by the CIA, to hold back Kissinger? None other than past American alchemist Harold Malmgren. The same Harold Malmgren who claimed to hold UFO pieces in his hands. And the same Harold Malmgren whose closest mentor Richard Bissell founded Area 51 and briefed him on other world

36:25technologies. Besides being a direct aid to presidents like Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, and Ford, Malmgren collaborated with the highest levels of the Japanese government. In fact, he was usually a direct advisor to the prime minister himself. And the first prime minister he advised, you might none other than Kakuei Tanaka. In fact, Malmgreen was a personal friend of the head of Japan's own National Security Council. >> The National Security Chief for for the Japanese Prime Minister was some my buddy for years. >> >> Lyndon Johnson had even sent Malmgreen on a secret mission to Tokyo. No State Department, no embassy, nobody read in. Just a sealed envelope hand delivered

37:11straight to the Prime Minister's secretary, so that whatever was inside would never exist on paper. >> His name is personal secretary. She will expect it. She will tell them to give her the envelope if it comes. And you deliver it yourself. They let you in the door, you hand over the envelope, that's it. That's it. >> When he finally walked out of the US government in 1975, the same year the Lockheed dominoes started to fall, he didn't leave Japan behind. He became one of the highest paid American operators working inside Japanese institutions. A private line or back channel running between Tokyo and Washington that stayed open for years. So the same person who had been let in

37:56on these other worldly secrets, who I think was probably CIA, was incredibly influential in Japan. And Japan is one of the greatest UFO hotspots on the entire planet. And both he and Kissinger had access to the UFO file. And both seem to be at odds with each other. So was Malmgreen fighting against Kissinger's methods of gaining leverage over foreign countries? Was his placement at the highest levels of Japanese politics and at the highest levels of UFOs just a coincidence? Or could he have been back channeling on that topic too? Remember, the UFO pieces that Malmgreen held in his hands was from the Blue Gill Triple Prime test. There's actually footage of that test that seems to show

38:41a UFO coming out of the plume of the nuclear blast. And the Navy deck logs associated with this Blue Gill Triple Prime test seem to indicate something anomalous being retrieved. Don't listen to me, listen to the Navy's former chief oceanographer, Tim Gallaudet. Did you think that something anomalous was recovered from the deck log? >> do. >> Wow. So if David Grusch is right that the United States has run a multi-decade program recovering craft that aren't ours, then some of those recoveries probably happened outside American territory on the soil of allies and partners. And if something comes down in Japan and Washington wants it, how does that actually work? You would need people already inside that country's political structure.

39:27You'd need relationships that predate that emergency situation. You'd need somebody that the Prime Minister's office trusts enough to take a call at 3:00 in the morning and not ask what the cargo is. So between Mountbatten, Kissinger, and Lockheed all being involved with UFOs and Japan being a UFO hotspot, these are all loose threads, but they're definitely ones worth pursuing. You are probably as much of a lighthouse as anyone else when it comes to the UAP topic because you are the UFO representative. So I'm sure you hear all sorts of stories from, you know, random Japanese civilians and citizens who want to, you know, let you know about what happened to them. What's the wildest story that you've

40:12heard?

41:15>> What type of music do you play? >> パンク と か ハード ロック スリップ ノット リンキン パーク に >> >> Really? I wasn't expecting you to say that. Hayasaka started out on the city council of Sendai up in Japan's northeast. And in 2021 he won a seat in the House of Representatives. His wife Chiaki has made a career in politics too. >> >> And as you'll see they're basically a power couple and have both experienced the paranormal. 30 years ago on a routine drive home Hayasaka witnessed

42:02something incredible. What color and shape was the UFO that you saw? >> [clears throat]

42:47>> 光 を パッ と こう 瞬間 移動 もう あれ みたい な 感じ でし た ね。 >> でした ね。 >> there's a gap. Total blackout. But before the gap, he does remember being unable to move. >> And when it was over, there was a wound behind his right ear that he'd never had

43:32before. A wound that healed into a scar. And years later, an x-ray showed a small squareish shadow underneath it. >> Wow. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know that that's a common spot for people who have alien encounters to get implants? Yeah, in fact, Whitley Strieber, who's the most famous person who's ever been, you know, encountered

44:17aliens, he wrote a bestselling book in the 1980s called Communion. And it's kind of what, you know, popularized the image of the gray alien. He has an implant in his ear, and I've felt it. >> Go ahead, touch it. Don't be scared of it. Like here, here. It's right under my finger now. >> Oh my god. >> So you have a scar, but there was no blood. And did you go test it? Did you get it x-rayed or imaged in any way? >> But it was how big of a spot was it? Was it was it perfectly circular? Was it like a a blob that was hard to

45:02figure out the edges of or what did it look like exactly? >> Square? Like a small little square? >> Yes. >> How many like a centimeter or a millimeter or >> Have you ever tested it with a an you know radio frequency detector or put a magnet on it or anything like that? >> It's interesting most of the people who I've spoken to who have implants are superstitious or not not superstitious. They think that the implants serve a

45:48purpose and they actually don't want to take them out because they feel like it's their connection maybe with the beings and so it's very adaptive to keep the the implants in so it almost feels like you might feel the same way. I don't know. >> Chiaki san also saw a UFO. Is that correct? >> じゃあ ええ 私 の 場合 は あの 保育 園 の 時 に あの 早坂 が 見た 場所 と ほぼ 同じ よう な 場所 で UFO を 見た 感じ に なり

46:37ます。 >> うん。 >> はい。 で ちょっと 時系列 が あれ です けど ちょっと 小さい 時 に >> ほう 見 て ます。 >> 入れ て で その 後 早坂 が あの 駐車場 で はい。 攫わ れ そう に なっ たって 大騒ぎ し まし て 大体 あの マンション の 方 に い た 感じ だ と 15分 か 20分 ぐらい で も 慌て て あの 橋 車 発進 さ せ て 出 て た よう に 感じ まし た。 >> Wow, but the exact same place? >> 全く 同じ 場所 で >> same parking lot? >> ほぼ 一緒 です。 うーん、 何百 メートル ぐらい、 1 キロ ない です。 >> Wow. >> Of of the parking lot? >> And you you you remember it were you with your friends? >> 夕方 に

47:23あの 帰り に お じい ちゃん に 迎え に 来 て もらい まし た。 で、 お じい ちゃん と 手 を 繋い で 妹 と 手 を 繋い で えっと U 字 型 の 校舎 だっ た ん です けど、 そこ を 歩い て 上 を 見上げ た 時 に あの 大きな 光る 物体 が 飛ん で いき まし た。 >> Wow. Did you did did the UFOs that you both saw look the same and did those UFOs look the same as your father-in-law, your father? >> 違い ます ね。 感じ 的 に は 違う。 僕 ら もう ちょっと 遠目 の 方 で 見 て た ん で、 ただ 異常 に 動き が すごく て あの すごい 動き を し て た の で、 これ もう こんな 普通 の 飛行 機 の 動き じゃ ない し、

48:08その 当時 ドローン も なけれ ば その 飛行 機 が こんな 大空 で 走る はず、 あの 飛ぶ はず な いっ て いう ん で、 もう あれ これ は もう 宇宙 あの UFO か なっ て 思い でし た。 >> Have you guys seen any UFOs outside of your preschool experience, the experience in the car together, anything else or or seen any beings? >> そう です ね、 なんか あの 早坂 の 話 は あの すっかり 忘れ て た ん です けど、 やっぱり 今回 ム ーっ て いう こと で あの 思い出し て て いう か その 当時 を こう 振り返る と あの お 寺、 駐車場 イコール お 寺 だっ た ん です ね。 あの お化け が 出る あの お 墓 も あり まし た し、 そう

48:55いう ところ の 駐車場 だっ た ん です ね。 な の で やっぱり その 当時 は その UFO な の か おばけ な の か なん か ほら もう 大騒ぎ で もう その 車 で 発信 し て から すぐ 公衆 電話 で 電話 いただき まし て もう 何 言っ てる か 一瞬 わかん ない ぐらい すごく 興奮 し て まし た。 それ で なん か もう とにかく 逃げ て き た と。 >> According to Chiyuki Hayasaka's wife, the parking lot where all of this happened, where her husband lost those hours of his life, was once the grounds of a temple. In Japan, that detail carries a different weight than it might elsewhere. These encounters have a long

49:41habit of happening on ground that people at some point set aside as holy. Strange occurrences on sacred sites. Japanese tradition has never drawn a hard line between the sacred and the strange. The same peaks people have prayed at for a thousand years have seamlessly also become the places people now go to watch the sky. From Shinto and Buddhist traditions to modern UFOs. Take Mount Kurama in the hills of North Kyoto. It's the birthplace of Reiki, the practice of energy healing. And for centuries, it's been wrapped in legends of the Tengu, the long-nosed goblins of Japanese folklore said to live in its forests. Today, those same forested ridges are one of

50:26the best-known UFO watching spots in the whole Kyoto region. Or go far to the north to Mount Osore in Aomori, and name that translates roughly to Mount Fear. It's a sulfur-stained volcanic caldera that folk belief has held for over a thousand years to be an entrance to the land of the dead. Every summer, blind mediums called Itako gather there to channel the voices of the dead for the pilgrims who make the climb. And UFO watchers who go to the Osore festival consistently see lights in the sky. They'll often tell you that with all that spiritual energy concentrated in one place across history, it would be stranger if the lights didn't come. And

51:13then there's a local legend that goes beyond just a UFO hotspot, Mount Kuramanta in Akita. It's a near perfect conical peak, and a research team that surveyed it back in the early '90s with ground penetrating radar came away arguing it might be an artificial structure, possibly one of the oldest pyramids on Earth. There's a 4,000-year-old stone circle a short walk away aligned to the solstice sun, which brings me back to what Asakawa said about his sighting when he was a boy, about the shapes he saw hanging low in the sky. If you stand where he stood and look to the west, you're looking toward Mount Fuji, the most sacred mountain in the country, a peak with shrines built into its

51:58slopes, pilgrims on its trails, and with its own long traditions of stories about beings, gods, non-human intelligence is all in the sky above the summit. If you had to guess, why do you think these beings are here? >> If there's one message you can relay to people who are thinking about this

52:44topic, what would that be? Maybe they don't know what to think about it and >> Can you tell me a little bit more about the guy who claims he has a personal UFO that acts like a car that he can just get on and drive at any moment, get on and and and and fly?

54:34>> Eh, what what happened when you were at Mount Fuji? Did you get any sort of message? >> と いう の が ある ん です。 富士 先生 信じる 信仰 です ね。 >> うん。 >> それ と この 間 私 が 昔 住ん で た ところ で 3 つ の 光 が こういう ふう に 動い たって 示し た ん です けど、 あの 3 つ の 光 が 最初 に 見え た ところ は

55:21あそこ に 富士 山 が 山梨 両性 の 先 に あっ て ちょっと 高い とこ 行く と 富士 山 の 頭 が 見える ん です。 >> うん。 >> 高 船 台 小学校 行き まし た よ ね。 高 船 台。 その 学校 から は 富士 山 が 見え て 私 は 学生 の 時 毎日 その 富士 山 の 頭 を 学校 で 見 て >> Interesting. That's fascinating. So maybe there you were meant to go there or something. Maybe that that moment then was somehow tied to what you ended up experiencing when you went to Mount Fuji. There was something about Mount Fuji you needed to go and see and it's all sort of connected. >> そう な ん です。 それ しかも その 話 の 直後 に 日本 の テレビ ドラマ で 富士 山 周辺 河口 湖 の ところ に 宇宙 人

56:09が 住ん で た と いう 連続 ドラマ も 放送 さ れ た ん です ね。 これ また 偶然 な ん です けど。 >> It almost feels like you're being guided by non-human intelligence yourself. Do you sometimes speculate that? >> >> ま 科学 ま 今 の 科学 の 常識 で は あの 因果 関係 が ない ん で 科学 的 と は 言え ない ん です けれど も ただ 私 が 実 は 国会 議員 に なっ た の も すごく 偶然 が 重なっ て て とても 私 が 当選 する と は ほとんど の 人 が 思っ て なかっ た ところ 当選 し た ところ から 始まり 自分 の 幼い 時 に 関心 を 持っ て い た こと と か が いくつか が 衆議 院 議員 の たった 3

56:54年間 で すごく 集約 さ れ た こと が あっ た ん です ね。 その 1 つ が この UFO だっ た ん です。 >> When I set out for Japan, I thought I was just chasing a story about a government waking up to the UFO truth, to the fact that this issue is real, that it matters, and that it's been sitting unattended for decades. But the personal experiences I heard made me think that that was just the tip of the iceberg. How many more Hayasakas and Osakawas are out there with their own sightings and encounters? For them, this was never abstract. And then they went into public service and found themselves holding the government accountable to do something about it. There's an old saying in Japan.

57:40It's darkest directly beneath the lantern. The lamp lights up the whole room except the spot right underneath it. For 70 years, the light of this subject has been held in exactly one place. American files, American hearings, American secrets. With the whole world reading its own skies by whatever glow reaches them. And directly beneath that lantern, in the shadow it casts, sits Japan. An ally with centuries of sightings, lights over its mountains, its sea, and its nuclear sites, and a government that was kept in the dark the entire time. One that probably never knew what the Mountgrins and Kissingers of the world did. The people we interviewed today have stopped waiting

58:26for the lamp to be handed to them. They're lighting their own, trying to find out where they stand on UFOs and what they're missing. Stay tuned because I'll be releasing more episodes from my two-week trip in Japan in the coming weeks and months. We'll visit a pyramid-shaped mountain outside Fukushima, so magnetic and so busy with UFO sightings that the town at its foot built its own UFO museum. We'll dive deep into the famous Kofu incident where two school boys say that a being stepped out of a UFO in 1975 and tapped one of them on the shoulder. But for now, keep your mind and your eyes open. I'm Jesse Michaels, and this is American Alchemy.

59:14>> >> Woohoo! >>